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Title: Has the contact patch for a sport bike changed
Post by: A DRAGON on November 27, 2018, 12:12:53 PM
I was really surprised at the low presures the tyre manufacturers are recomending. My SC3 Prielli were 24 lbs. Icold. Hot temps are between 27 and 30.  Take a look at the tire deformation on the rear it Looks like it's about tripled a credit card.  I guess I can push it a lot faster now. So different.  But I really like the change.
Title: Re: Has the contact patch for a sport bike changed
Post by: GreenMachine on November 27, 2018, 02:04:48 PM
Some of that could have to do with having three kids and a decade of couch remote surfing,
Title: Re: Has the contact patch for a sport bike changed
Post by: RedLeader on November 27, 2018, 07:02:22 PM
Thats a lot of tire deformation.... To me it looks like a bit too much. I would take a look and see what your tire wear looks. Also would be good to take the bike to Dave Moss and have him take a look at everything as well if possible.
Might want to ask for hot pressures and see if your getting up to where you should be. Lot of people will get warmed up and run a hot lap, pull into the pits and check the hot pressure to see where it at. Would give you a better idea.
Title: Re: Has the contact patch for a sport bike changed
Post by: A DRAGON on November 27, 2018, 08:04:41 PM
Dammmm G.  How can call me fat like that.  You  sound like my Leathers asking for some relief.  I think so to. 

RedLeader. I was pitted right next to Dave Moss. He reset my suspension for me. But l saw him in the afternoon.  Maybe this pic was before that.  I didn't check my hot Temps . Very rarely do.  I really like just getting my cold temps correct. Then tyres will do what they do. And go with that. I don't run tyre warmers.  So l think that's where l should go.  I did set my tyre presure first thing in the morning.
Title: Re: Has the contact patch for a sport bike changed
Post by: RedLeader on November 28, 2018, 01:19:10 AM
Cold pressures are a good starting point, but they generally are just a guess to get you to the hot pressures. Hot pressures are what the tire needs to get up to for it to be able to function properly. To be honest, I dont check my hot pressures either. I haven't really had a problem and usually have enough grip to get around.
Maybe its just normal tire deformation... Id be interested to see what Wiles thinks.
Title: Re: Has the contact patch for a sport bike changed
Post by: dub on November 28, 2018, 01:01:45 PM
I've seen pictures of Pirelli's deforming like that before; they have a super soft carcass. If Dave said the set-up and wear was ok and Jerome likes how it rides then there's no problem.

I never check hot pressure because Dunlop specifies a pressure off the warmer at 175*. Less variables that way. Your off track temperature depends on how much force you are putting into the tire and how hot the track surface is.
Title: Re: Has the contact patch for a sport bike changed
Post by: A DRAGON on November 29, 2018, 11:28:10 AM
Thanks for your input guys on this matter.  I am still just amazed at the size of the contact patch now.  Has it always been that Large?  I guess I need to pull up some shots of some on the old track days when we ran a higher tire pressure and see if the contact patch is the same.  Looking at that patch makes me think I can push the traction envelope more and be pretty safe.  I recall following Dub into turn two in 3 rd gear, not really touching the brakes.  I just hung on and followed.  Bike felt really stable.  I was worried.  But that generally comes with following a faster rider around the race track.