Looks like Zoom zoom is going to do a track day there on April 23 and 24. Who all is going.
At RFR? Nah, I'll Pass. :rant
I figured that. what about Thunder hill on April 25 and 26. Just trying to figure out what days to put in for vacation
Quote from: mean green 79 on January 05, 2011, 08:16:04 AM
Looks like Zoom zoom is going to do a track day there on April 23 and 24. Who all is going.
Where did you get that info?
I am assuming he is an instructor but a guy on the Barf board posted it. his code name dbenji it has all of z2 dates.
Here is what was posted
O.k., O.k., O.k. The dates aren't available on the site yet but here's our 2011 schedule:
14 February, 2011 @ Infineon
11 April, 2011 @ Infineon
18 April, 2011 @ Thunderhill
23 April, 2011 @ Reno-Fernley
24 April, 2011 @ Reno-Fernley
3 June, 2011 @ Thunderhill
4 July, 2011 @ Thunderhill
8 July, 2011 @ Infineon
30 July, 2011 @ Thunderhill
31 July, 2011 @ Thunderhill
13 August, 2011 @ Buttonwillow
14 August, 2011 @ Buttonwillow
26 August, 2011 @ Thunderhill
17 September, 2011 @ Thunderhill
18 September, 2011 @ Thunderhill
26 September, 2011 @ Infineon
30 September, 2011 @ Thunderhill
24 October, 2011 @ Thunderhill
14 November, 2011 @ Infineon
26 November, 2011 @ Thunderhill
27 November, 2011 @ Thunderhill
We've got a ton of cool stuff we're doing this year and I want to make sure it's all organized before going live on the site. Some highlights:
- First event is Valentine's day at Infineon with NRS available
- We're back at Reno-Fernley Easter weekend for only $125/day
- 5th Annual Women's VIP Day is June 3rd
- We have several pre-AFM Fridays
- Nearly every event will have a special, limited-spot VIP group that will allow you to ride in two groups all day.
...and lots more. I'm working on all this stuff as quickly as I can so expect the site to be updated in a day or two and keep an eye on your email.
FYI, Z2 Season Passes will be $3200. All details are coming soon so stay tuned. If you know you want a season pass for 2011, send me an email (not PM).
--David
Depending on the work schedule I might be up for it in April.
I do like the Thill day.... I'm open for a planned event outside of the box ;D I take it I'm not the only one dying to do a trackday... :ohno
I'm all about thunderhill this year. Don't think I'll be at RFR with anyone but SSA.
Do we have to wait until April?
Quote from: jbolt on January 07, 2011, 02:56:14 AM
Do we have to wait until April?
It's way too cold to ride at speed before then... :dunno
Quote from: A DRAGON on January 06, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
I'm all about thunderhill this year. Don't think I'll be at RFR with anyone but SSA.
You and me both. The weekdays are about the same price as RFR but the facilities are 100% better at T-hill.
Quote from: Team Gorgonzola on January 08, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
The weekdays are about the same price as RFR but the facilities are 100% better at T-hill.
Really????? I gotta get my truck then!! I'll check the websites and see how much the trackdays will be. I definitely wanna try something else than rfr this year!
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Really????? I gotta get my truck then!! I'll check the websites and see how much the trackdays will be. I definitely wanna try something else than rfr this year!
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I always have space for 2 bikes and I do like to split gas and driving duties. I'll let you know when I'll be going.
Quote from: Team Gorgonzola on January 09, 2011, 10:01:47 PM
I always have space for 2 bikes and I do like to split gas and driving duties. I'll let you know when I'll be going.
Cool beans!! :2cool
Same here, I have room for 1 more bike and 1 person is the SSA wagon ;D
I can carry 6 bikes so just gotta know when and if I have money.
Cool...looks like transportation is no longer a problem. Just let me know when you guys are going for anyone of those at either Thill or Infineon and all I need to do is check my class schedule and my bank account! :P But if it is not a Tuesday or Thursday i most likely will be in! :blackbike :flagbrazil
Cool deal JP! I like riding with you ;D I just gotta keep up with the phoenix :r6y :blackbike
That's easy my friend... you just gotta use your brakes more often! :D Can't wait for the kickoff of the 2011 season!!
Quote from: Jp_Rio on January 09, 2011, 09:32:34 PM
Quote from: Team Gorgonzola on January 08, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
The weekdays are about the same price as RFR but the facilities are 100% better at T-hill.
Really????? I gotta get my truck then!! I'll check the websites and see how much the trackdays will be. I definitely wanna try something else than rfr this year!
Buy a truck!!!!
i'll be there. in fact, i'll be there for ALL the RFR events this year. :D
Quote from: com3 on January 25, 2011, 11:47:04 AM
i'll be there. in fact, i'll be there for ALL the RFR events this year. :D
I hope you'll be taking pics at T-Hill as well, I like your pictures a lot, you really got talent; can't say the same for the RFRT management ;D
i'll be at thill and stuff too. :) anyways, RFR is doing good things this year. i'm really excited!
I'm afraid myself and many others won't be seeing you at RFR. :flagSSA
that sucks. :(
hopefully you guys will stop taking things so personal and just hit the track with the homies and have a blast like i do. i'm not into politics, personally.. i just love to ride. ;D
I concurr
+1,+2
Quote from: com3 on January 25, 2011, 02:56:30 PM
that sucks. :(
hopefully you guys will stop taking things so personal and just hit the track with the homies and have a blast like i do. i'm not into politics, personally.. i just love to ride. ;D
Joe, this is not politics; it's real life. Sometimes one has to take a stand, and say: " it's not ok to do what you are doing, it's wrong and I will not look the other way!!" even if in the end it means self-sacrifice, unjust treatment and loss. Joe, if someone lied about your organization and yourself, spread nasty rumors about how you conduct business, blame you for things you did not do, would you take that personal? Would that be "ok" and you would keep on "riding" with them? or would you want to stand up and say something. I know I would, because I believe you are honest and fair, and I would know the difference between truth and lies! People has gotten soft; we always talk about being against something, that is wrong, but never really do anything about it!! Or perhaps, we stand up for some far away situation, that has no real bearing on our lives because it's easy; or maybe be against some conceptual ideology that in the end doesn't cost anything, to anyone, to be against. It would be easy to just stay on the sidelines and look the other way, just to keep the peace and not get involved. Not me!! I am tired of the b#@&*t! I am standing up, we; some of us, are standing up and saying: "this is wrong!!" Now, because of it, we've being shunned by the racetrack that we supported with everything we had, for the past several years, and being insulted by some wannabe motorcyclist that saw an opportunity to make money and did everything they could to take it. Because of that I will not support RFRT or the "local" trackday company (there's a funny story there) and I encourage anyone else I know, including my fellow SSA members, to spread the word and do the same.
PS: we aren't the ones that started taking things "personally", the only reason why the other club started, was about taking things personally and to the extreme, you didn't say the same to them did you?.
PPS: I am not even going to talk about loyalty or appreciation for what the SSA has done in this community for the sport-bike scene. We introduced scores of people to the racetrack, including all the local trackday providers owners and most of the other club members; we also made sure that you were there to take pictures as well. I guess none of that means anything anymore......
i don't disagree with you at all, homie!
buuuuuuttt...... how it ever even came to that is what i don't understand. there's no reason for muckraking and shit slinging... unless you become TOO involved, i guess.
like i said, it's all about show-n-go. from strictly a rider perspective (not from a biz standpoint), i'm not there to get to know the owners of the trackday company or the owners of the track or anything of that nature. i'm there to warm up my tires, flex wicked, ride my ass off, try not to do something stupid, have a blast, go home, flex my e-penis, and think about the next trackday.
that's how i used to do it before i started 4theriders. :)
obviously, it's a bit different for me now froma biz standpoint. i've got to be more tactful. i do have to know the owners and maintain relationships and the likes... but since i don't play the favorites game or anything even remotely like that, it's not hard for me to get along with everyone and be friends with everyone. i'm totally cool with all the SSA guys, all the SBK775 guys, all the BARF and SBR and NCSR, and pashnit, and SBN and blah blah blah guys. and i don't ever feel like i'm "in the middle." in fact, i don't even discern who's on "what team" anymore. haha!
a couple of people from who-knows-which-side of your "rivalry" have approached me talking about this and that... i simply cut em off mid sentence and say "i don't care, i'm not into politics, and cause you're ALL my homies."
thems is my thoughts! :angel
I can respect that, since you're talking about your livelihood, on the other hand I have been a much active member of this club (I almost quit because all the grief but then realized it wasn't coming from here) for many years (6 maybe 7) and just cannot, will not, stand still when others try to tear it down.
Quote from: Team Gorgonzola on January 26, 2011, 10:32:41 AM
Quote from: com3 on January 25, 2011, 02:56:30 PM
that sucks. :(
hopefully you guys will stop taking things so personal and just hit the track with the homies and have a blast like i do. i'm not into politics, personally.. i just love to ride. ;D
Joe, this is not politics; it's real life. Sometimes one has to take a stand, and say: " it's not ok to do what you are doing, it's wrong and I will not look the other way!!" even if in the end it means self-sacrifice, unjust treatment and loss. Joe, if someone lied about your organization and yourself, spread nasty rumors about how you conduct business, blame you for things you did not do, would you take that personal? Would that be "ok" and you would keep on "riding" with them? or would you want to stand up and say something. I know I would, because I believe you are honest and fair, and I would know the difference between truth and lies! People has gotten soft; we always talk about being against something, that is wrong, but never really do anything about it!! Or perhaps, we stand up for some far away situation, that has no real bearing on our lives because it's easy; or maybe be against some conceptual ideology that in the end doesn't cost anything, to anyone, to be against. It would be easy to just stay on the sidelines and look the other way, just to keep the peace and not get involved. Not me!! I am tired of the b#@&*t! I am standing up, we; some of us, are standing up and saying: "this is wrong!!" Now, because of it, we've being shunned by the racetrack that we supported with everything we had, for the past several years, and being insulted by some wannabe motorcyclist that saw an opportunity to make money and did everything they could to take it. Because of that I will not support RFRT or the "local" trackday company (there's a funny story there) and I encourage anyone else I know, including my fellow SSA members, to spread the word and do the same.
PS: we aren't the ones that started taking things "personally", the only reason why the other club started, was about taking things personally and to the extreme, you didn't say the same to them did you?.
+one million! well said my friend.
PPS: I am not even going to talk about loyalty or appreciation for what the SSA has done in this community for the sport-bike scene. We introduced scores of people to the racetrack, including all the local trackday providers owners and most of the other club members; we also made sure that you were there to take pictures as well. I guess none of that means anything anymore......
Quote from: Team Gorgonzola on January 26, 2011, 11:04:05 AM
I can respect that, on the other hand I have been a much active member of this club for many years (6 maybe 7) and just cannot, will not, stand still when others try to tear it down.
I actually think talking about things is good. Even politics.
I have heard virtually nothing on the specifics of how and why certian things happened as they relate to SSA.
I personally have heard some rumors on happenings in the club but they're just that. Even so, nothing I heard was tearing the club down. What I do know is that I have no knowledge of virtually any details as nothing is posted or documented in a news letter. I can't take a stand if I don't know the details. Nothing I have heard about RFR (such as their decision to only book business units for 2011) changes my decision to ride there in 2011. Maybe I don't know the whole story?
Quote from: jlavallee on January 27, 2011, 10:29:29 AM
Quote from: Team Gorgonzola on January 26, 2011, 11:04:05 AM
I can respect that, on the other hand I have been a much active member of this club for many years (6 maybe 7) and just cannot, will not, stand still when others try to tear it down.
I actually think talking about things is good. Even politics.
I have heard virtually nothing on the specifics of how and why certian things happened as they relate to SSA.
I personally have heard some rumors on happenings in the club but they're just that. Even so, nothing I heard was tearing the club down. What I do know is that I have no knowledge of virtually any details as nothing is posted or documented in a news letter. I can't take a stand if I don't know the details. Nothing I have heard about RFR (such as their decision to only book business units for 2011) changes my decision to ride there in 2011. Maybe I don't know the whole story?
we refuse to slander or post publicly on our website are shortcomings with RFR. Jerome, Aberto, or myself are willing to answer any questions about anything that happened or clarify and rumors floating around. If interested please call one of us, If anyone needs our number, please send a PM. thanks
Oh boy.
I have been in Washington for a year, so I feel waaaayyyy out of this loop.
RFR?
Always been good to me.
SSA?
Always been good to me.
Maybe things will get better this year.
Quote from: A DRAGON on January 06, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
I'm all about thunderhill this year. Don't think I'll be at RFR with anyone but SSA.
:agree
I really like Thunderhill! I have no plans on traveling to RFR from Sacramento unless it is a SSA event! I love to ride with you guys! :GrnWheelie
I don't know about any political issues, I am also out of the loop. SSA is who I know,
SSA is who I ride with!
Guys,
I mean no disrespect and you know I have a soft spot for the SSA as well. But Joe's comment is a prime example of what I have been trying to get across to a few of you here. ALL THESE RIDERS THINK ABOUT ARE WHEN THEY CAN GET ON THE TRACK AGAIN, doesnt matter if its with Precision, Z2, AFM, TTP ... ect. As Joe said they leave the politics at the door because the truth be told we are all selfish when it comes to riding.. When we want to ride, we will ride.
"like i said, it's all about show-n-go. from strictly a rider perspective (not from a biz standpoint), i'm not there to get to know the owners of the trackday company or the owners of the track or anything of that nature. i'm there to warm up my tires, flex wicked, ride my ass off, try not to do something stupid, have a blast, go home, flex my e-penis, and think about the next trackday."
What I am getting at here is I understand their has been some wrong done here between a few of you and RFR, but with the few of you that say what the SSA does, simply put is killing you. How many honest track day riders will stick to their guns and not run RFR at all this year? I dont think many. Their is enough activity between my races, Z2 and Precision that it is a convenience to stay home and ride.
I want to see the SSA grow for 2011!!! And I honestly think that if you keep the distance from everyone, you will eventually lose to other clubs and other trackdays simply because your local club isnt playing local when you should be. All your doing is making other organizations stronger in your own area. You want to take your ball home but the problem is everyone else has a ball for the same court. Just being honest here but you do not have the network to hold your ground without losing riders. And you are losing riders.
In my opinion, and that is all it is.. Suck it up and try to get back in the local game!! God knows their was some wrong done between myself and the track in August and Octobers but I sucked it up because I knew if I didnt someone else would try to capitalize on my situation.
I mean this with the utmost respect and I am not choosing sides, not RFR's,Precisions,SBK's or SSA..... All I want is the SSA to grow.
BTW hope all is well with you guys.
we will happily be at any and all available RFR dates. along with post wsbk miller and some thill at well. i don't care if they are double penetrating my mother while my little brother is forced to watch. i just want to ride track.
Quote from: ChrisM on January 28, 2011, 12:02:14 AM
we will happily be at any and all available RFR dates. along with post wsbk miller and some thill at well. i don't care if they are double penetrating my mother while my little brother is forced to watch. i just want to ride track.
I will not compromise my integrity (in my eyes) just so I can ride on some holed up parking-lot quality racetrack. Where I come from, respect, honesty and justice still means something. I was wronged unjustly and I won't forget it. Call me old school but I will not sell my soul for money or pleasure. Sam, the SSA will always be here. There was a time when there were only two of us at PJ'S Wednesdays after Wednesdays and that was just fine. I don't want to lie, be dishonest, or fuck anybody to get ahead, never have, never will. I just know that since some individuals joined the local motorcyclist community, everything changed...for the worst. Now it's about making money on the fellow motor-heads and fuck people over, for revenge and to get ahead in one way or another. I can proudly say the the SSA was NEVER about that, and will NEVER be about that. I know quite few people (some are my friends) that, although they believe what happened was wrong, don't have any other choice (because of financial concerns) but go along and bow, in order to get laps close by and cheaply.
I am not judging them, my choice is mine, just don't try to convince me that what I am doing is morally wrong or bad for the club. Hey, at least I am not double penetrating anybody's mother ;D
The truth is out there!!
@Char thanks for standing with us, sometimes is really hard to put first morals and justice. I salute you, and I'll see you at T-Hill, Miller and who know where else.
@Ted the current RFR is NOT the RFR that used to be. Ask Danny, you know him well.
@Sam I couldn't care less what other people will do or go, I only care about my friends, and they will still be around.
Wow Alberto those are some heavy words. I know you and feel you are indeed an upright an honest guy.
I'll stop in (I need to pick up my gloves anyway) we can have a conversation offline. I'm all mixed up here.
Quote from: youngster775 on January 27, 2011, 04:36:00 PMwe refuse to slander or post publicly on our website are shortcomings with RFR. Jerome, Aberto, or myself are willing to answer any questions about anything that happened or clarify and rumors floating around. If interested please call one of us, If anyone needs our number, please send a PM. thanks
It's not slander (Slander (n.) the act or offense of saying something false or malicious that damages somebody's reputation) if it is true. I'll follow up when I am in town but I'll be straight and tell you that anything that can't be stated from the rooftops is something I usually question. I don't have any real interest in getting into a he said/she said sort of thing behind closed doors and making a call on who or what parts I believe. My experience has been that SSA and others have been trustworthy even if I've not always agreed with each decision.
@ Alberto, I am 100% in support of your decision. When you feel you've been wronged then yes, stand up for your beliefs. Maybe if I ever get all the details and hear both sides, I'll be right there with you?
PS. Politics is real life. I'm not suggesting that the role SSA has played shouldn't have some merit but RFR is not obligated to behave a certian way and be "moral" even if that might be smart. I'm not picking here but unless there was a contract, even a verbal one, the track doesn't owe the SSA anything.
Quote from: Captain on January 27, 2011, 10:19:01 PM
Quote from: A DRAGON on January 06, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
I'm all about thunderhill this year. Don't think I'll be at RFR with anyone but SSA.
:agree
I really like Thunderhill! I have no plans on traveling to RFR from Sacramento unless it is a SSA event! I love to ride with you guys! :GrnWheelie
I don't know about any political issues, I am also out of the loop. SSA is who I know,
SSA is who I ride with!
RIGHT ON MAN! THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOYALTY :thumbup
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It was verbal and I witnessed it.
I was there too.
If you write it on this website, it's libel, really.
Anyway, to everyone who doesn't care about this BS, I'll see you at RFR for some good times. To the others, I hope I get to ride with you at another track this coming season. :)
Quote from: dub on January 28, 2011, 02:28:04 PM
If you write it on this website, it's libel, really.
Anyway, to everyone who doesn't care about this BS, I'll see you at RFR for some good times. To the others, I hope I get to ride with you at another track this coming season. :)
Dub is only libel if the claim is false; for example: saying on the other board, that one of our member (including the name) stole from the club is libel (defamation of character). You should probably police there and make sure is not happening. Every single thing mentioned in my posts are the simple truth. You might call it BS, I call what's going on on the other board BS, so I guess is a perception issue. At least I refrain from going there and make smart-ass remarks about it all. The reason why this discussion is going on is due to the fact that, some people feel the need to tell us, what's right or wrong and to let it all go. We are entitled to our opinion, and last time I checked, free speech was still legal. If the club (SSA) members (real ones including the execs) want me to stop they have but to ask.....all the others...well let's try to keep this clean people!!! :P
The aforementioned opinion, doesn't necessarily reflect the position of all the members of this outfit....(just quite few of them) ;D
Um, Ok. I was trying to make a joke about slander being spoken and libel being written because it was used incorrectly on the previous page. I should have picked up on the fact that this thread is far to serious for teh jokes.
I'm going to go ahead and slowly back away from the keyboard now.....
Do you feel lucky....Dub! Do you??!!
I totally missed the joke, I should have known better...still friends?
You know it's so funny. People get on this subject and always say don't take this personal. Some say someone could double penetrate their Mother and it's OK with them. Please have a back bone. Stand up for something and don't just give your money to criminals. Just because they have a track day that's cheap. I hope your parents raised you better than that.
Exxon did a lousy job of cleaning up the Alaska coast after the oil Spill. And you still buy their gas. Wow!!!! Not me. They will never get my money unless their the only one around and if I don't fuel I'll be walking. Then I'll buy their Gas.
Walmart has been cited for countless violations on their workers. Making billions of dollars and still paying their people minimum wage. Showing them how to apply for government assistance. Walmart will not get any of my money either.
SSA has been a big supporter of that Track From day one. They had No Providers scheduled last year. And SSA Stepped up big. Now this is what we get in return. No. I don't need to ride any track that bad. If you disrespect my Mother you really disrespect me. But I absolutely will not ride at RFR in 2011. Their are to many Track out there that want my business.
Quote from: youngster775 on January 28, 2011, 01:02:10 PM
RIGHT ON MAN! THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOYALTY :thumbup
I really didn't think of it as loyalty, ie choosing sides or anything like that (maybe that is what it has become...loyalty?). It is that I have ridden with SSA. I have had a real good time with and great experience with and riding with Jerome and Trinie and many other great peeps that I met and rode with hanging a knee along side the SSA brotherhood! You guys have always been there for me: hazards on the road, cop check warnings, track day assistance and advice, lunch, etc. You guys are my friends and I really like being around you, your the greatest, keep up the great job!
I will be faster
and quicker this year! Here I come, ride with me!
Char
Quote from: A DRAGON on January 28, 2011, 11:04:05 PM
You know it's so funny. People get on this subject and always say don't take this personal. Some say someone could double penetrate their Mother and it's OK with them. Please have a back bone. Stand up for something and don't just give your money to criminals. Just because they have a track day that's cheap. I hope your parents raised you better than that.
Exxon did a lousy job of cleaning up the Alaska coast after the oil Spill. And you still buy their gas. Wow!!!! Not me. They will never get my money unless their the only one around and if I don't fuel I'll be walking. Then I'll buy their Gas.
Walmart has been cited for countless violations on their workers. Making billions of dollars and still paying their people minimum wage. Showing them how to apply for government assistance. Walmart will not get any of my money either.
SSA has been a big supporter of that Track From day one. They had No Providers scheduled last year. And SSA Stepped up big. Now this is what we get in return. No. I don't need to ride any track that bad. If you disrespect my Mother you really disrespect me. But I absolutely will not ride at RFR in 2011. Their are to many Track out there that want my business.
Jerome,
This is why I wanted details. Anyway, I'll talk to you guys later and see what the story is. The examples you used about Exxon and Wal-Mart don't do anything for me. They both do what they're required to do under the law and that is all you can expect. Wal-Mart doesn't owe an unskilled worker squat because they make money. If that worker doesn't like the pay then they can go elsewhere. I fully support your right to believe that socialist agenda where the world should be divided evenly but just like nobody has a right to tell a person they can't be gay, you have no right to force your beliefs on others either. Wal-Mart doesn't OWE a worker anything beyond the contracted wage. As a free man, you have every right to not shop there and as a free man, I have every right to want a better price as a result of not wasting money on unskilled labor.
If you had a verbal contract that is one thing and is entirely separate. I'll stand by that. Hurt feelings are not the same thing. I was just trying to determine what this was.
Jason, a lot of it is about how it all went down. The blaming, canceling dates, the unjust disrespectful treatment, constant bashing, and underhanded practices of the other group and finally, not allowing SSA to pursue it's own track days. I don't dispute that all of that is other people prerogative and choices. You label Jerome's walmart debacle, socialist agenda, [hardly] I call it "upholding standards and regard for the human condition above all, especially profits"....pretty dam remarkable if you ask me and something that should be taught in school, not stifled. Yet I respect your choice and opinion, I am not trying to ridicule it or make you look like an insignificant little men (be hard to do anyway LOL) because I don't like your point of view. What really piss me of, is when someone come on my board and tell me MY choice of not wanting anything to do with the local provider and RFRT, is silly or bs and I should get over it. Jason, I know you like the rational approach, but if there had been rationality in all of this, there wouldn't be another club and we would be doing track-days as we always have. Instead emotions dictates most human interactions so here we are. Talking about butt-hurt?? The other group wrote the book on that subject :D
Can we please stop saying the "other group", as the other group itself is not bad. I think you more correctly should be saying "other PEOPLE". There are plenty of good people in the "other group" that have nothing to do with this track day squabble. In reality, there are other GROUPS out there that split off from the SSA over the past and I don't see them being targeted anymore. So how about we keep this about track day differences as I am sure there are people in "THIS GROUP" that wish to stay clear of personal politics and internal squabbles also.
:hiding :popcorn
It's a little cold out there, but I'm going for a ride.
It's good to read some of this getting aired out in a respectful adult way. That may be why I'm a member here.
Quote from: Team Gorgonzola on January 29, 2011, 09:07:58 AM
...Talking about butt-hurt?? The other group wrote the book on that subject :D
Your rhetoric is going a bit far Alberto. The "other group" has never thrown a member off of it's board. You are even welcome there. On the other hand, this board has thrown
everyone off that does not conform to a few of this clubs ideas. There is no one here to debate you since the dissenting parties have all been banished. Much like other repressive countries do today. This is just another reason the other club formed and SSA lost a lot of it's membership. Trying to be real here at the risk of being thrown off the board. There is a shared amount of "butt hurt" going around on both sides to kill the passion of a lot of Reno sportbike riders who just don't want to be involved in this anymore.
I would respectfully ask, that since there is no one here that cares to have this debate anymore except for yourself and a select few (same can be said for a few at the other club), that it be done somewhere else so as to not cause any further embarrassment to members here, and there, who just want to go ride.
These forums should not be used as a soap box to slander, libel or otherwise bring shame to it's membership.
It's all right to be passionate about something, it's another to sound bitter and angry.
Cheers my friend.
Quote from: n10sive on January 29, 2011, 09:25:20 AM
Can we please stop saying the "other group", as the other group itself is not bad. I think you more correctly should be saying "other PEOPLE". There are plenty of good people in the "other group" that have nothing to do with this track day squabble. In reality, there are other GROUPS out there that split off from the SSA over the past and I don't see them being targeted anymore. So how about we keep this about track day differences as I am sure there are people in "THIS GROUP" that wish to stay clear of personal politics and internal squabbles also.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Team Gorgonzola on January 29, 2011, 12:51:38 PM
Quote from: n10sive on January 29, 2011, 09:25:20 AM
Can we please stop saying the "other group", as the other group itself is not bad. I think you more correctly should be saying "other PEOPLE". There are plenty of good people in the "other group" that have nothing to do with this track day squabble. In reality, there are other GROUPS out there that split off from the SSA over the past and I don't see them being targeted anymore. So how about we keep this about track day differences as I am sure there are people in "THIS GROUP" that wish to stay clear of personal politics and internal squabbles also.
Fair enough.
:agree
As a member, I like to read the good news and also the bad news of the Club of my heart. I respect a lot this club because I learned here how to really ride motorcycles.
Hi all. :) :)
Well that is not the entire truth but only a selective part of it.
Quote from: n10sive on January 29, 2011, 12:50:17 PM
1) Your rhetoric is going a bit far Alberto. The "other group" has never thrown a member off of it's board. You are even welcome there. On the other hand, this board has thrown everyone off that does not conform to a few of this clubs ideas.
A) "No one has never being thrown out of there", that's true, especially because none of our members ever went on your board and started inflaming threads, kept on provoking the rest of us, with never ending extremely stupid arguments, and negative comments, like "the other people" kept doing and thus a ban ensue (I believe 4 people were banned then some were reinstated). Let me also mentioned that these "other people" were the ones that left the club but kept coming here to keep the criticism going. More over, I did for awhile signed up there, to argue against some remarkably low mud slinging an outright lies that were posted for everyone to see.
No one did nothing until I got involved. Then the thread was censored, including my side of the story. I then left and sporadically monitored the site.
Quote from: n10sive on January 29, 2011, 12:50:17 PM2) There is no one here to debate you since the dissenting parties have all been banished. Much like other repressive countries do today. This is just another reason the other club formed and SSA lost a lot of it's membership. Trying to be real here at the risk of being thrown off the board.
A) There is no one here to debate me because most of us, left here, have similar opinions about what happened, and what we believe to be the truth. Beyond who wanted to leave; the membership migration happened because the "other people" went out on a which hunt as well as a smear campaign by unsolicited email, (one of our members showed one to us, yet it has been denied by "the other people" it ever happened) and any other means they could find, and convinced others to follow. No official rebut, was this club position (and higher ground in my opinion), so the mudslinging and lies continued. "Repressive country" Well if that is not rhetoric I don't know what is. Anyone has enjoyed unlimited freedom here for as long as I've been a member of this club and, before the other club formed, NO ONE was ever banned that I am aware of (Alan was banned as he left his post then came back to advertise, without permission, his own track-day, in direct competition with our own). I was the one who advised it. All the bans were totally justified in my eyes.
Quote from: n10sive on January 29, 2011, 12:50:17 PM3) I would respectfully ask, that since there is no one here that cares to have this debate anymore except for yourself and a select few (same can be said for a few at the other club), that it be done somewhere else so as to not cause any further embarrassment to members here, and there, who just want to go ride.
These forums should not be used as a soap box to slander, libel or otherwise bring shame to it's membership. It's all right to be passionate about something, it's another to sound bitter and angry.
A) There was no debate here until someone brought it with them. You don't like bans or censorship, so what would you have me do? I will not be silent while I am been lectured about what is right or wrong, especially by individuals that can't be objective as they try to extract profits, from dealings with the very parties I believe to be at fault. In case there's doubt, this is the wrong place to drum up business for anything RFRT and the local track-day provider. I know I am not speaking just for myself. I am pretty sure, that IS, the official position as not only we were lied to but also treated like second class riders. I don't believe I bring shame to the SSA membership for stating my case...but please, if anyone think so, send me a PM and we'll discuss it.
Perhaps there should be a place, in the forum for this, were we can all sound bitter and angry when we need it. (yep, that's me) ;D
Note: I am extremely happy with my life, family, work and everything else. When it comes to this situation though, bitter and angry is an understatement.
Quote from: Rick Tahoe on January 29, 2011, 02:49:30 PM
As a member, I like to read the good news and also the bad news of the Club of my heart. I respect a lot this club because I learned here how to really ride motorcycles.
Hi all. :) :)
Thanks Rick, it's great to see a fellow member be happy to be part of this club, when things are good as well as not so good. My hat to you my friend.
Quote from: n10sive on January 29, 2011, 09:25:20 AM
In reality, there are other GROUPS out there that split off from the SSA over the past and I don't see them being targeted anymore.
First, I am not targeting anyone, just responding to posts and stating my case.
Secondly no one else has gone after the SSA very existence with such a vengeance. Can't just sit idly and watch it happen....sorry
Quote from: Team Gorgonzola on January 29, 2011, 09:07:58 AM
Jason, a lot of it is about how it all went down. The blaming, canceling dates, the unjust disrespectful treatment, constant bashing, and underhanded practices of the other group and finally, not allowing SSA to pursue it's own track days. I don't dispute that all of that is other people prerogative and choices. You label Jerome's walmart debacle, socialist agenda, [hardly] I call it "upholding standards and regard for the human condition above all, especially profits"....pretty dam remarkable if you ask me and something that should be taught in school, not stifled. Yet I respect your choice and opinion, I am not trying to ridicule it or make you look like an insignificant little men (be hard to do anyway LOL) because I don't like your point of view. What really piss me of, is when someone come on my board and tell me MY choice of not wanting anything to do with the local provider and RFRT, is silly or bs and I should get over it. Jason, I know you like the rational approach, but if there had been rationality in all of this, there wouldn't be another club and we would be doing track-days as we always have. Instead emotions dictates most human interactions so here we are. Talking about butt-hurt?? The other group wrote the book on that subject :D
Alberto, I never anywhere said your choice was wrong; I actually defended your right to stand by your principals. I also am fully supportive of Jerome's decision to stand by his. What any supporter of our current disaster of a president believes is clearly that a socialist model is ideal. He is 100% within his right to believe that, just as a right wing zealot is within their rights to believe that being gay is a crime against God. I could argue that socialism has failed every time tried in history and to repeat the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
Some Nazis believed that Jews were evil. What I am stating is that the examples given favor a particular viewpoint and while you're entitled to it, you don't have the right to force it on others. If a Nazi believed a Jew was evil, that is their right but acting on it and forcing their belief on someone else, that is where the problem resides.
Just because I believe that socialism is total BS I can't force that on anyone else. If people want communal living, healthcare etc. then fine, as long as I don't have to go into the pool against my will I'm good with that. It is when they want to tax me and make me part of something against my will where I have the problem.
Going off topic farther but "upholding standards and regard for the human condition above all" is just another way of saying you believe something and you want to force it on others. I am not saying your position is wrong, but you can't force anyone to behave as you like. As long as they don't hurt you or force you to do something without free will. If you don't like Wal-Mart then by all means don't shop there. I play by the do onto others rule but I also respect the choice of others to make up their own mind. You might be of the belief that we are owed something from others but we are not. We are all free men who are owed nothing by this world nor do we owe anyone else. To say we owe is to say we are slaves. Does that mean we shouldn't help our fellow man? Of course not, but you CANNOT force that belief or indoctrinate others with that belief unless you don't believe in free will. Once you force your belief on others, they have every right to push back.
All I was trying to do was determine the specifics as to what was going on. If you had verbal contracts then sue or at least let that come out publicly. I've never had a problem with anyone in the Reno area riding community so I've no basis to draw any conclusions. It is abundantly clear to me that lots of people in the group have pre-conceived expectations about how business and the world should function. While I agree with and respect many of these, I also see the other side of the debate and believe in full liberty with the understanding that others may have a difference of opinion that they're entitled to. You state that there wouldn't be another group if there had been rational thought but again, there had to be a reason; they had a need that SSA wasn't fulfilling or something, maybe you just don't see it? SSA doesn't have rights to be the only rider club in the area. Look at the stunt riding clubs; I wouldn't be caught dead doing that but everybody has freedom of choice to choose what appeals to them. The thing for me is separation of what is hurt feelings on what members of the club "feel" they're entitled to and what was broken from a contract point of view. I'm not saying the "feeling" issues have no merit but that is a very personal decision for each person to weigh in on from their perspective while breach of contract is clear.
Because I personally find some of the viewpoints held by some members of the group as offensive and totalitarian, I won't arbitrarily lend my support without full disclosure of details because like you, I have principals and they dictate that I can't make a decision on hearsay.
I don't care to keep this going. Again, I have had no issues with any riders or clubs in the area. I hope we can all ride safely and enjoy our sport. I don't doubt a lot of this comes down to how things happened. All I know is I have no good reason to take issue with anyone that I am aware of yet and I haven't heard anyone tearing down the SSA but apparently I'm in the dark.
Quote from: Team Gorgonzola on January 29, 2011, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: Rick Tahoe on January 29, 2011, 02:49:30 PM
As a member, I like to read the good news and also the bad news of the Club of my heart. I respect a lot this club because I learned here how to really ride motorcycles.
Hi all. :) :)
Thanks Rick, it's great to see a fellow member be happy to be part of this club, when things are good as well as not so good. My hat to you my friend.
Right on Alberto, you don't have to thank me. The members of this club thank you for defending this club so brave like you.
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By the way, I believe on freedom and I think everyone is free to do anything with responsibility, of course. Resuming, for those riders that prefer don't ride Fernley anymore, we should meet at different track soon because I miss you guys so much!!!
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Quote from: Rick Tahoe on January 29, 2011, 02:49:30 PM
By the way, I believe on freedom and I think everyone is free to do anything with responsibility, of course. Resuming, for those riders that prefer don't ride Fernley anymore, we should meet at different track soon because I miss you guys so much!!!
:party
I am all for that!
Jason, there is ALWAYS a right and a wrong side of things. One can just rationalize, or politicize their choice so it can better fit in their lifestyle. If you had crashed at RFRT and they banned you, I would have been there with you to to cry foul. I know it is wrong and I don't give a damn if I could not ride there anymore because of it. I said it before and I will say it again. I don't need anyone to impose on me when and how to stand up when I see something wrong. I guess I wish there were more of us out there :(
Me Too. Balls are so are to find. To busy looking out for themselves I guess.
I myself feel that this thread is once again headed in a downward spiral. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. in short, on behalf of the SSA, WE WILL NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, BE SUPPORTING RENO FERNLEY RACEWAY UNDER THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT. at this time I want to encourage membership, not run people away by the events that have taken place. let's move forward and see what the future offers. thank you ;) YOUNGSTER775
(http://www.getoutdoors.com/goblog/uploads/post_image-0608_geri_halliwell_bikini_03.jpg) Now I know where this thread is headed