Just wondering if it would make anyone disappointed if we ran a different configurtion at RFR. I'd like to do "H" for one or our dates. Or even something different. WE have so many to choose from. I just think we could really change the track and have some fun. What do you think and which one appeals to you more?
(http://www.renofernleyracetrack.com/imgs/RenoFernley_Racetrack_Config.gif)
H is pretty fun. The transition from the Spine to the bowl is kinda rough but still a good time.
I would like to do C configuration BACKWARDS! I did that last year, and what a blast! It really helps you put some of the turns together that may have been giving you trouble.. gives you a whole nother' perspective of the race line....
RFR C is hard on the left and a counter clockwise config should give us even wear on tires without needing to switch tire orientation. Save money.
edit: I've never ran C backwards and, for the record, I never gain insight on running a track backwards (GT and TT and other racing games.) I look at it as if it's a new track and attack it that way.
C configuration backwards would be tough going down Hoot-N-Hollar. Other than that, it would be fun. I think it would be a more difficult configuration and how many new track riders would be there. Just different thoughts.
I also ran C last year backwards, I fill that Its the most FUN of the different configuration.
Just my Two Cents
Some providers run the track backwards for a couple sessions. . . Maybe don't commit to an entire day, but end a Sunday with a couple sessions session in REVERSE.
Either that or I do K-1 and the rest of you do k-2 :)
Or run 1/2 and 1/2 per day
Quote from: dr1150 on May 07, 2010, 05:29:39 PM
Or run 1/2 and 1/2 per day
Half & Half is a good idea.
I'd love to try course H too...
H takes out a few really smooth corners, some of the only ones out there. I think it is unrealistic to divide the day up, new riders would not have a chance to learn anything. I think a saterday one way and sunday the reverse on the C course would be fun. Buttonwillow does it this way. When, if we decide you will know it long before to pay for the day.
I've been at track days where the riders vote to reverse for the last two sessions.
Myron is right. . . if it's more than a couple sessions we need to advertise it first
I wouldn't want half half because of the length and difficulty of memorizing the track. Think of the new peeps on the track. I would rather do a 1 day forward and the next day backwards.
Quote from: youngster775 on May 07, 2010, 10:13:01 AM
I would like to do C configuration BACKWARDS! I did that last year, and what a blast! It really helps you put some of the turns together that may have been giving you trouble.. gives you a whole nother' perspective of the race line....
X2 I have done that twice. It was a kick both times.
Quote from: dr1150 on May 07, 2010, 05:10:17 PM
I also ran C last year backwards, I fill that Its the most FUN of the different configuration.
Just my Two Cents
Dave, wasn't that a great day?! It gave me a whole new perspective on the track. now I think I can carry more speed thru 1a 1b 1c...and the peanut, what a blast!
Paul has it right the reverse pattern is really great, and the Hoot-N-Hollar is a blast going down hill.
it sounds like several people have done it backwards and they feel it was great. I'm good for trusting others and tryin it out. I would agree to advertise it though for others.
I'm up for trying C backwards or doing H.
I wouldn't mind mixing it up a bit, I think I did course H backwards last year at a test and tune day and It felt like I was at a whole different track. It would help build those Ben Spies skills at mastering new tracks quickly :)
I liked the configuration zoom zoom had on their race weekend. I really liked going up the slide. I know it's extra work putting up the extra barriers and stuff so it isn't as feasible as the others.
Quote from: reno240sx on May 12, 2010, 09:22:17 PM
I liked the configuration zoom zoom had on their race weekend. I really liked going up the slide. I know it's extra work putting up the extra barriers and stuff so it isn't as feasible as the others.
This! I loved that config. Of course...I'm still a little nervous going into 1 after my crash last year :'( :(
most of the configurations other than C are very dangerous to us motorbikers... you shall see and will come to the agreement C forward or backwards is the WAY TO GO. 8)
I've done course H before. If you go left of Hoot and hallla. follow the track pass the slide and on to the back bowl. It's pretty cool your just on the gas all the time. I really liked it.
Remember if you do the track backwards it may be fun but Turn one (1) has no run off area. Well if you call a ditch a run off area. Is the only problem with the Track Back wards.
I'd love to do the slide. I've heard bad things about the bottom at speed.
I would also like it if you got to the top of the the hoot and turned right and headed to sunset straight. I think that would be pretty cool too.
yes, but riding anything other than c will take out all of the smooth corners. A couple before and after the back strait.
Being the first track day of the season I would like to keep things simple. For me (and perhaps, the majority) is the "C" configuration run traditionally, counterclockwise. Most of us have not ridden much yet so it would be good to use previous knowledge and be comfortable for the fist weekend. As far as going backward, I did that at a t&t and as Jerome said turn one is not very friendly; also you gain much more speed as the esses can be straighten out, and added to the straight as launching pad. A lot of the track has blind rises right before turns on the back side. The hoot and Holler is anything but flowing and I didn't think much of it.
That's my opinion folks.
Of course we are not changing it this trackday comming up. All the other issues are not real issues. It feels like riding a different track, thats is all. If we ran it clockwise all the time we would say counter-clockwise? The hoot and holler would be scary. I had ridden only 4 other tracks, but you learn them quickily. All tracks present certian danger and challanges. That why we like them. Right?
Before we could decide on a different configuration a track walk would need to be conducted by the Trackday Committee, some board members, and a few experienced racers. We would need to determine if the configuration would be safe to run. It may not seem like a big deal but I know a couple of people that have been seriously hurt at this track. We would need to look at the amount of run-off, the hazards in the run-off (rocks, ditches, etc), whether or not there are walls or any large objects (flag station) in any possible impact zone.
The SSA board and Trackday Committee want to make sure everyone has a fun and SAFE trackday experience.
As Greg said You guys need to check out the track first. I rode around in April and there are alot of new areas of concern. Previous knowledge may not work very well in some areas due to bumps or bigger bumps etc. We all know people who have been injured at every track but we all know that you don't want to go off track at RFR. To me "C" is old hat every trackday provider runs it unless theres oil on the track which causes a change. I won't be there to ride but everyone needs to remember to slow down a bit and work on their technique. Its only practice so just have fun and NO CRASHING!!!!!
This thread was just a conversation starter.
We engage in this type of banter two times per year.
It's easy to BS about such ideas, in fact it's pretty fun to consider what reverse C is like but the truth is we make decisions slowly and cautiously (some say too slowly) and we get a ton of input first (this thread is about the input, not the decision.
It's just a subject for chat.
"C" you at the track! ;)
Keep "C" or faster like "H"
walk it anytime the track is closed. A sunset stroll on the sunset straight?
I think it should depend on your #'s Jerome. The novice guys I talk to prefer what the're used to(C) so they can focus on technique. Those of us who are faster are mostly either indifferent or up to a challenge. I'd suggest C for this time as a lot of us haven't seen a track in over 6 months. If your gonna change config. lets wait till June.
H looks good to me.
Quote from: Justino on May 13, 2010, 10:02:47 PM
This thread was just a conversation starter.
We engage in this type of banter two times per year.
It's easy to BS about such ideas, in fact it's pretty fun to consider what reverse C is like but the truth is we make decisions slowly and cautiously (some say too slowly) and we get a ton of input first (this thread is about the input, not the decision.
It's just a subject for chat.
"C" you at the track! ;)
Quote from: zipbyu on May 13, 2010, 07:50:27 PM
Of course we are not changing it this trackday comming up. All the other issues are not real issues. It feels like riding a different track, thats is all. If we ran it clockwise all the time we would say counter-clockwise? The hoot and holler would be scary. I had ridden only 4 other tracks, but you learn them quickily. All tracks present certian danger and challanges. That why we like them. Right?
Quote from: youngster775 on May 07, 2010, 10:13:01 AM
I would like to do C configuration BACKWARDS! I did that last year, and what a blast! It really helps you put some of the turns together that may have been giving you trouble.. gives you a whole nother' perspective of the race line....
Agree!!!! C BACKWARDS!!!
I heard once you go C clockwise you dont go back. ::)
I would like to present for the "June" trackday C backwards on sunday only.
People who ride A and B groups are open to changing it up. The newer riders in C are not fond of the idea because it is change and they never experienced anything else. If new riders could run it backwards they would love it and have a great experince. THIS IS A COMMENT ONLY. WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING YET OR IF AT ALL.
Quote from: zipbyu on May 21, 2010, 08:13:57 AM
THIS IS A COMMENT ONLY. WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING YET OR IF AT ALL.
You mean we have to run C backwards tomorrow? You're CRAZY, man!! :D :D :D
H was pretty cool when we ran it once. Maybe we'll just have to devote an entire weekend to one other configuration. That would give everyone the opportunity to do another configuration and another Track. We'll see how it goes. I just hate to see all that asphalt going to waste.
I know we don't run thunderhill because it's not like Fernley or Infineon because it's not like Thunderhill. I would just be another track with some more challenges. If it's dangerous absolutely not.... Just because it's something new It would make for a new track with different challenges. Think about it. I really don't think It would be that bad.
I know we don't run thunderhill because it's not like Fernley or Infineon because it's not like Thunderhill.
HUH? :-\
Quote from: n10sive on May 12, 2010, 09:39:20 PM
Quote from: reno240sx on May 12, 2010, 09:22:17 PM
I liked the configuration zoom zoom had on their race weekend. I really liked going up the slide. I know it's extra work putting up the extra barriers and stuff so it isn't as feasible as the others.
This! I loved that config. Of course...I'm still a little nervous going into 1 after my crash last year :'( :(
The best way to get over that nervousness is to put padding were it hurt. Sure you would look like the Michellin man but you would be on the track. I havn't met anyone that didn't look cool on the track. Well maybe youngters avatar is an exeption :D
Quote from: edmunsan on May 21, 2010, 09:24:53 PM
Quote from: n10sive on May 12, 2010, 09:39:20 PM
Quote from: reno240sx on May 12, 2010, 09:22:17 PM
I liked the configuration zoom zoom had on their race weekend. I really liked going up the slide. I know it's extra work putting up the extra barriers and stuff so it isn't as feasible as the others.
This! I loved that config. Of course...I'm still a little nervous going into 1 after my crash last year :'( :(
The best way to get over that nervousness is to put padding were it hurt. Sure you would look like the Michellin man but you would be on the track. I havn't met anyone that didn't look cool on the track. Well maybe youngters avatar is an exeption :D
Hey..I could get one of those inflatable vests like this chick and ScotInExcile wears!!! LOL
(http://media.heavy.com/post_assets/2010/02/0200/1265089315_boob-job-car.jpg)
oh wait... :o ;D :D
I'm from SCR and had never ridden 'C' configuration until this past weekend. I have been to RFR three times previously and always ran H configuration. While I like a lot of the corners in the back section, the track was VERY mentally taxing to get around as there are SO many corners. H has it's drawbacks, there is a speed bump in the right hander as you enter the spine that is quite exciting, but having a significantly shorter lap gives you more laps per session and makes it easier for new riders to learn the track and thus progress.
My two cents.
~Carl