whats the diffrence???
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The Taste
Oil comes in smaller containers.
Fluid can be used in your blinkers too ;)
Maxima says the Fork Fluid is a Racing Formula thats fade free and has zero drag. It has a Viscosity stable base. It is formulated to work with cartiridge forks.
The Fork Oil is supposed to be more equivalent to the Harley Davidson fork oil.
The fork fluid has more additives in it to prevent what they refer to as "stiction" in more severe environments. They are both good, but for racing and things that require more performance from suspension components, the fluid is the way to go.
thread jack: I heard the r6's like urs and mine adiggity, need fork fluid service quite regularly if you ride aggressive. This true?
very true, the one and only dave moss says the 06-07 r6 needs to be changed and re done 2 times per year ideally. Mine have never been done and work fine though...
Quote from: NVKrawler on November 06, 2008, 09:18:45 AM
very true, the one and only dave moss says the 06-07 r6 needs to be changed and re done 2 times per year ideally. Mine have never been done and work fine though...
You have to remember, just because they are working fine, doesn't mean there isn't aluminum floating around in the oil.
Notice Maxima uses different methods to rate viscosity of the fork oil vs. the fork fluid. I have no idea what it means, just pointing it out.
I've had my TZ250 forks apart a few times during this track season of approximately 1,000 miles. Based on the contamination I saw I would change the fork oil once a season. I don't think how aggressive you ride means squat. The parts move and rub together and the oil gets contaminated by it, whether you are Spies or a squid.
The R6 forks are different. And the more aggresive rider you are, the more the suspension is going to work. It has to do with parts moving up and down more. Just like how riding a smooth road compared to a bumpy road is going to be less rough on the suspension.
And on viscosity, every company rates their oil differently. A 5w from say Racetech could be equivilant to a 10w of Maxima.
I personally feel like unless you're racing like Andy then once a year is plenty. That's just my feeling.
Forget about bottle grade and look at what your manufacturer recommends. Yamaha actually listed a ohlins oil so because I couldn't place my hands on it I looked up the specs for kinematic viscosity and mixed up a ratio of 5w and 10w if I remember correctly. The Viscosity is given in centistokes (cSt). Viscosity in centistokes is usually given at two standard temperatures of 40°C and 100°C.
I find it funny that the numbers in the charts on Maxima's page are the same for the weights. That tells me it is primarially badging as if they made a significant chemical change, the rates would change.
Quote from: yzinger on November 05, 2008, 06:07:58 PM
thread jack: I heard the r6's like urs and mine adiggity, need fork fluid service quite regularly if you ride aggressive. This true?
They definitely need to be serviced more often if you ride aggressively. I rode probably around 5000 track miles this year and serviced mine 2 times. Once at the beginning and once half way through the season.
It is at all hard to do? I should prob do mine...but am afraid :(
Quote from: yzinger on November 06, 2008, 02:20:23 PM
It is at all hard to do? I should prob do mine...but am afraid :(
Don't be skuurd... :) No really, it's not hard to do but it is probably a good idea to have someone who knows how to do it show you how the first time. Where do you live?
At his mom's house!!
If you just want to change the fluid...just undo the top cover, drain and refill....no need to take everything out. Just remember to write down your suspension settings for when you put them back together....
If you want to service it fully....heres a link from another forum.
http://www.r6central.com/forums/r6-how-guides/2480-how-service-forks.html
Quote from: Putz on November 06, 2008, 04:02:24 PM
At his mom's house!!
nice...haha, that is true. but it is my house! and she don' live her foo!
I am just north of the intersection of virginia and mccarren in reno
Quote from: JENX!!! on November 06, 2008, 05:40:43 PM
If you just want to change the fluid...just undo the top cover, drain and refill....no need to take everything out.
all that does is drain least contaminated oil.everything you want to get rid of will still be inside forks.
there is right way and half a ass way.
Quote from: yzinger on November 06, 2008, 05:57:48 PM
nice...haha, that is true. but it is my house! and she don' live her foo!
I am just north of the intersection of virginia and mccarren in reno
I have to service mine sometime this winter. If you want to come out to Fallon we could do them both at the same time. Or I could swing by sometime to help you out. Or you could take them to TWF. I think he knows how to do it. ;)
I asked traxxion on the AK-20's why the 7 wt. "Because it is valved for that weight so stick with the 7 wt."
Quote from: JENX!!! on November 06, 2008, 05:40:43 PM
If you just want to change the fluid...just undo the top cover, drain and refill....no need to take everything out.
Jenx, it would be a waste of time & good oil/fluid to not pull the cartridges out and clean them, if you're already pulling the forks off the bike to drain them.
You'd be surprised how much muck builds up in there!
The springs need to be removed to properly refill and set the oil/fluid level, anyway.
im pulling my fork internals out to change my springs.....what should i use to clean them before reinstalling?
I like a clean parts washer with diesel. But that maybe is just me.
I should probably do my forks sometime this winter too. If someone wouldn't mind I would like to watch them do it before I try.
Quote from: reno240sx on November 10, 2008, 05:54:21 PM
I should probably do my forks sometime this winter too. If someone wouldn't mind I would like to watch them do it before I try.
me too! me too! :D :D
I'm going to work on two pairs of GSXR forks soon.
Quote from: Yard Sale on November 13, 2008, 03:13:52 PM
I'm going to work on two pairs of GSXR forks soon.
sign me up :)
Quote from: TWF on November 06, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
all that does is drain least contaminated oil.everything you want to get rid of will still be inside forks.
there is right way and half a ass way.
Because I am twice as much as a standard half ass, I like to do the right way.
I am a full ass.