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Title: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: independent on August 19, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
I had fun at the july SSA day, so I'm going to try & come out for the SSA day on sept 26/27, probably with the Triumph 600 again.

Any advice on the mini-bowl?  I'd like to focus on that turn next time.

And that damned bumpy back straight-is there any good line through that mess?
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: Yard Sale on August 19, 2009, 04:01:19 PM
STAR school guys like to stay low all through the bowl. Dan Sewell likes to aim high toward the cone then cut down.

As for sunset straight.... Exit turn 11 aiming for the cone so you drift wide. If you are really slow and bad on the brakes just stay in the right 8 ft of the track all the way. If not, drift back over to half track so you are left of the raked (dark) asphalt. Get on the brakes where the raked asphalt starts (roll off before it). Ease off the brakes before the trench (aka railroad tracks) to gain a little more suspension, cuz you'll need it.

Here's a Zoom Zoom instructor (Shawn) on video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px8MNENmdO8

If all that fails, pin the throttle WFO and pitch it in to turn 12 at the last minute like this guy....

(http://www.seppes.com/photos/622719384_N4jCz-XL.jpg)

Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: Justin on August 20, 2009, 01:00:30 AM
Yeah! What HE said  :)
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: edmunsan on August 20, 2009, 07:49:46 AM
What bumpy section? Just kidding.Ya know I think I like some bumpy sections. Adds charachter to the track, it can improve my ability to have fun on worse tracks. 8-16 09 was my first ever track day. Plan on going Sept.
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: dmh2000 on August 20, 2009, 08:54:25 AM
On turn 21/Bowl, Doug Polen took the low line right on the edge with a slight drift out in the middle to create a very slight double apex.
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: MotoPutz on August 20, 2009, 09:33:32 AM
Quote from: dmh2000 on August 20, 2009, 08:54:25 AM
Doug Polen took the low line right on the edge with a slight drift out in the middle to create a very slight double apex.

Not sure what you mean...

Can you draw it?
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: n10sive on August 20, 2009, 09:42:42 AM
Quote from: Putz on August 20, 2009, 09:33:32 AM
Quote from: dmh2000 on August 20, 2009, 08:54:25 AM
Doug Polen took the low line right on the edge with a slight drift out in the middle to create a very slight double apex.

Not sure what you mean...

Can you draw it?

Sounds the same as the suggested way to take 2.
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: MotoPutz on August 20, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
Are we talking about 12 or the bowl?
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: n10sive on August 20, 2009, 10:05:12 AM
a lot of people talk of taking all the 180's at RFR (12, bowl, 2 etc) as double apexes. I hear that is OK for larger liter bikes, but not so good for smaller bikes like the SV's and two smokers. I noticed all the USGPRU kids just riding around them....FAST LOL


Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: Adiggity on August 20, 2009, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: n10sive on August 20, 2009, 09:42:42 AM
Sounds the same as the suggested way to take 2.
That is the way I take it, only I do not drift out as wide mid-corner as I do in turn two. I stay within, I'd say, 5'-6' of the inside of the track when drifting out mid-corner. Enter tight and exit tighter with a late apex. That is if we are talking about "the bowl" (turn 21). Not sure if that is the corner your talking about or not.
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: Justin on August 20, 2009, 12:07:22 PM
Quote from: Putz on August 20, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
Are we talking about 12 or the bowl?
we're talking about the bowl, cuz Polen was kinda all over the place on 12 until I sorted him out.

:D :D :D
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: Adiggity on August 20, 2009, 12:26:36 PM
Quote from: Putz on August 20, 2009, 09:33:32 AM
Not sure what you mean...

Can you draw it?
LOL!! This is funny, but this will show you I tried. I think you can get the idea. Don't follow this "exactly" but you asked for a pic.  :D

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t73/dubbla95/RFRBowl.jpg)
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: XIII on August 20, 2009, 01:46:21 PM
I roughly have the same line as andy but I don't apex the turn until the last bend. So, basically, no double apexing and staying mid line until a late apex to get the drive out of the bowl.
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: 99 900ss duc on August 20, 2009, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Adiggity on August 20, 2009, 12:26:36 PM
Quote from: Putz on August 20, 2009, 09:33:32 AM
Not sure what you mean...

Can you draw it?
LOL!! This is funny, but this will show you I tried. I think you can get the idea. Don't follow this "exactly" but you asked for a pic.  :D

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t73/dubbla95/RFRBowl.jpg)
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i have the wobbly part down
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: Adiggity on August 20, 2009, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: 99 900ss duc on August 20, 2009, 03:30:45 PM
i have the wobbly part down
Not as easy as it looks huh.
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: Yard Sale on August 20, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
It looks like the drunken blood trail of a stabbed wino.
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: Adiggity on August 20, 2009, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: Yard Sale on August 20, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
It looks like the drunken blood trail of a stabbed wino.
Hahaha, and you know that because...??
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: Yard Sale on August 20, 2009, 04:12:51 PM
Nineteen years in San Francisco.


I shouldn't make fun of people's scrawls. Once, I was handed a note and I said, "What the hell, this guy has the penmanship of a six year old?!" Turns out he had polio.
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: Adiggity on August 20, 2009, 04:26:24 PM
You big meany!
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: independent on August 20, 2009, 05:46:24 PM
So taking the low line through the bowl(T21) is the fast way? Hmmmm.  I'll have to try that some more,  I was double-apexing, going up high in the middle and trying to use the downhill exit to get a better drive out of there. Fun!

I'll try the center-track line at the end of sunset straight, I was pretty much staying far right, then squaring the turn off & trying to go straight over the railroad track-thing.

thanks for giving me stuff to think about!
Title: Re: RFR Mini-Bowl...What's the best line?
Post by: MotoPutz on August 20, 2009, 09:05:22 PM
Yeah, I thought you were talking about double apexing 12. The bowl makes more sense. I tend to square it off with a late apex in the bowl.